Wikipedia:Tiăng-dŏng

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Mŭk-luŏh 1 Counting in Hokchiu (Fuzhou) 2 Help 3 Bilingual Min Dong Sites 4 Meta:Wikimedia brand survey - initiated by meta:user:Eloquence. 5 Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki 6 Translation Request: Austrian writer Klaus Ebner 7 Possible deletion of Mindong Wikipedia article in English Wikipedia 8 Manual for new and small Wikipedias 9 Questions 10 Wikipedia logo project 11 The most often used MediaWiki messages 12 The LocalisationUpdate extension has gone live 12.1 What this means for you 12.2 Why localise at translatewiki.net 13 Translatewiki.net update 14 How can we improve the usability for your language

[Siŭ-gāi] Counting in Hokchiu (Fuzhou)

I need help. I was wondering if anyone could help me by translating the following numbers in Bàng-uâ-cê (Foochow Romanized):

零, 一, 二, 三, 四, 五, 六, 七, 八, 九, 十, 十一, 十二, 二十, 一百, 一百一十, 二百, 一千, 一萬, 一億, 一兆, 一京

Thanks very much in advance. I hope this place can help me learn Hók-ciŭ-uâ. 86.42.163.158 2008 nièng 3 nguŏk 10 hô̤ (B1) 23:22 (UTC)Si lapu lapu

0: generally pronounced as Lìng, for example 1050 is chiĕng-lìng-ngô; but note, however, that when 0 is used in a year number, a telephone number, a room number or a bus number, etc., it is pronounced as Kuàng.

1: Siŏh or Ék; 2: Lâng or Nê. The differences between Siŏh and Ék and those between Lâng and Nê can be illustrated by the work of the American Methodist missionary Moses Clark White. "In the use of the duplicate forms for one and two, some care is required, for while we can say ék-sĕk, or nê-sĕk, for ten and twenty, we cannot say siŏh-sĕk, lâng-sĕk, neither is it admissible to say siŏh-báh-ék, siŏh-báh-nê, for one hundred and ten and one hundred and twenty."

3: Săng.

4: Sé.

5: Ngô.

6: Lĕ̤k.

7: Chék.

8: Báik.

9: Gāu.

10: Sĕk.

11: Sĕk-ék.

12: Sĕk-nê.

20: Nê-sĕk.

100: Siŏh-báh.

110: Báh-ék; 108: Báh-lìng-báik. Siŏh is always omitted in such cases when Báh, Chiĕng or Uâng is followed by other numbers.

200: Lâng-báh. Please compare it with 20. One cannot say Lâng-sĕk or Nê-báh.

1,000: Siŏh-chiĕng.

10,000: Siŏh-uâng.

100,000,000: Siŏh-é.

The term 一京 is seldom used in conversations, at least I have never used it myself. But I think it should be siŏh-gĭng.

Further questions are welcome. --GnuDoyng 2008 nièng 3 nguŏk 11 hô̤ (B2) 11:06 (UTC)

Hey man thanks very much. You've really helped me today! Just to make this clear.. In the case of 110, in Hokchiu you do NOT say 'one hundred one ten'.. You only say 'one hundred ten'.. Is that correct?

Also I was wondering about this one: 一兆 What is that in Hokchiu? I think you missed that one.

Last question. The 'u' and 'e' with the two dots on the bottom.. Is that the same as a normal 'u' with an umlaut on top? Like in German? Thanks again! much obliged.86.42.163.158 2008 nièng 3 nguŏk 11 hô̤ (B2) 20:28 (UTC)Si lapu lapu

110, báh-ék, literally "hundred one". 一兆: Siŏh-diêu. The letters with two dots on the bottom are just like the German umlauts. You are right. :) --GnuDoyng 2008 nièng 3 nguŏk 12 hô̤ (B3) 09:49 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Help

I was wondering if you could translate these names into Hók-ciŭ-uâ BUC:

• 黃毓民
• 張曼娟
• 雷萬春
• 蔡阿垦
• 埃阿斯

Thanks, Ajax 68.50.102.88 06:22, 5 Sĕk-ék nguŏk 2006 (UTC)

• 黃毓民: Uòng Liù-mìng
• 張曼娟: Diŏng Mâng-giŏng
• 雷萬春: Lòi Uâng-chŭng
• 蔡阿垦: Chái Ă-kōng
• 埃阿斯: Ăi-ă-sṳ̆ (Is "埃阿斯" the Ajax the Great in Illiad? If so, the first character "埃" is not to be treated as a surname.) --GnuDoyng 10:23, 5 Sĕk-ék nguŏk 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! - Ajax (Ăi-ă-sṳ̆) 68.50.102.88 00:27, 10 Sĕk-ék nguŏk 2006 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Bilingual Min Dong Sites

Can you show the pages bilingually for non-ming-dong speakers ? Similar to below.

Â̤ báik gōng Hók-ciŭ-uâ mâ̤? 會仈講福州話賣？

--216.94.13.90

Hello, 216.94.13.90. Whether it is pratical to adapt Chinese characters in the Min Dong Wikipedia has been discussed here. Please join. --GnuDoyng 10:13, 30 Ék nguŏk 2007 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Meta:Wikimedia brand survey - initiated by meta:user:Eloquence.

Meta:Wikimedia brand survey - initiated by meta:user:Eloquence. --User:hillgentleman|Nguāi gì tō̤-lâung|2007年06月08日( B5 ), 07:06:35 07:39, 8 Lĕ̤k nguŏk 2007 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Betawiki: better support for your language in MediaWiki

Dear community. I am writing to you to promote a special wiki called Betawiki. This wiki facilitates the localisation (l10n) of the MediaWiki interface. You may have changed many messages here on this wiki to use your language, but if you would log in to for example the English language Wiktionary, you would not be able to use the interface as well translated as here. Infact, of the 1793 messages in the core of MediaWiki, XXXX messages have been translated. Betawiki also supports the translation of messages of almost 80 extensions, with 984 messages.

If you wish to contribute to better support of your language in MediaWiki, as well as for many MediaWiki extensions, please visit Betawiki, create an account and request translator priviledges. You can see the current status of localisation of your language on meta and do not forget to get in touch with others that may already be working on your language on Betawiki.

If you have any further questions, please let me know on my talk page on Betawiki. We will try and assist you as much as possible, for example by importing all messages from a local wiki for you to start with, if you so desire.

You can also find us on the Freenode IRC network in the channel #mediawiki-i18n where we would be happy to help you get started.

Thank you very much for your attention and I do hope to see some of you on Betawiki soon! Cheers! Siebrand@Betawiki 08:43, 24 Gāu nguŏk 2007 (UTC)

• Currently 36.58% of the MediaWiki messages and 6.23% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2008 nièng 5 nguŏk 1 hô̤ (B4) 11:57 (UTC)
• Currently 35.74% of the MediaWiki messages and 4.18% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. GerardM 2008 nièng 6 nguŏk 9 hô̤ (B1) 12:01 (UTC)
• Currently 35.34% of the MediaWiki messages and 5.01% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. GerardM 2008 nièng 8 nguŏk 2 hô̤ (B6) 09:11 (UTC)
• Currently 33.23% of the MediaWiki messages and 4.36% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. GerardM 2008 nièng 9 nguŏk 3 hô̤ (B3) 12:36 (UTC)
• Currently 31.20% of the MediaWiki messages and 3.92% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2008 nièng 10 nguŏk 12 hô̤ (LB) 10:41 (UTC)
• Currently 31.06% of the MediaWiki messages and 2.82% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2008 nièng 11 nguŏk 9 hô̤ (LB) 22:38 (UTC)
• Currently 30.51% of the MediaWiki messages and 2.73% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2008 nièng 12 nguŏk 14 hô̤ (LB) 10:29 (UTC)
• Currently 30.17% of the MediaWiki messages and 2.71% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at Betawiki. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2009 nièng 1 nguŏk 10 hô̤ (B6) 10:28 (UTC)

PS Please help us complete the most wanted messages..

[Siŭ-gāi] Translation Request: Austrian writer Klaus Ebner

Hello. I see that there is no Min Dong page about the Austrian author Klaus Ebner, which I regret. As contributor writing about contemporary Austrian literature in the German, English and Catalan Wiki pages, I would like to kick off the translation of one of the pages, namely about the Viennese author Klaus Ebner, to the Min Dong language. A page of this author already exists in more than 20 Wiki languages. If you are interested in Austrian literature or literature in the German language, please see the following link to the English and French pages about this author (other languages can be chosen from there, out from the side menu):

• English Wiki page about Austrian author Klaus Ebner
• Page française sur l'auteur autrichien Klaus Ebner

Thank you very much for your endeavors.

Irina Walter from Vienna, Austria. --62.47.142.185 2008 nièng 4 nguŏk 5 hô̤ (B6) 17:20 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Possible deletion of Mindong Wikipedia article in English Wikipedia

Another editor wishes to have the article Mindong Wikipedia removed from English Wikipedia. Please see en:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mindong_Wikipedia or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mindong_Wikipedia If you can improve the article by adding references to it, please do so. --Eastmain 2008 nièng 4 nguŏk 21 hô̤ (B1) 04:04 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't find any reference to it. In mainland China all Wikipedias are blocked, and all media about Wikimedia are silenced, therefore, most people have never heard of such a wonderful thing as a "free encyclopedia". We Chinese Wikipedians, just like the first Christians in the Roman Empire, are under a lot of pressure, but we will never ever give up spreading the gospel. I hope they keep this aritcle, please, so that more and more people will get to know this good news. --GnuDoyng 2008 nièng 4 nguŏk 21 hô̤ (B1) 04:34 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Manual for new and small Wikipedias

Dear fellow Wikipedians, at Meta there are pages created to help new and small Wikipedias: Manual and Wikipedia and help pages. You are welcome to have a look and comment. Kind regards--Ziko 2008 nièng 8 nguŏk 13 hô̤ (B3) 22:20 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Questions

Hi, please could you answer some of my questions:

1) Is this Wikipedia accessible in Mainland China? 2) Is Min spoken in all of Fuzhou? Someone I met recently migrated from Fuzhou to the UK and he didn't even know Min existed! (he says he speaks Mandarin)

Thanks a lot. :) --Rvd4life 2008 nièng 10 nguŏk 6 hô̤ (B1) 20:48 (UTC)

1. Wikipedia is currently accessible in Mainland China.
2. You should have used a more common name "Fuzhou dialect" (福州话, Hók-ciŭ-uâ or Fúzhōuhuà) instead of "Min". Fuzhou dialect is the native language of Fuzhou and is roughly estimated to be spoken by more than half of its population. So, the guy you met might be unable to speak Fuzhou dialect, but he can't be totally unaware of the existence of this language. --GnuDoyng 2008 nièng 10 nguŏk 7 hô̤ (B2) 13:07 (UTC)

The guy above mentioned in UK is not a single case in Fuzhou now, thanks to Fuzhou authority banned speaking Fuzhou dialect in public for years,thus more and more younger generation cannot understand Fuzhou dialect either speaking or listening, even some holding a negative attitude of disliking it. --Sirenspark 2008 nièng 11 nguŏk 7 hô̤ (B5) 21:44

Speaking dialects in public places has never been banned in China; it's only disapproved. Just like UK in the old days, those who spoke Irish or Welsh were oftentimes thought of as having received poor education. That's why most Foochow people don't want to teach their children this language. But things are getting better these years. Foochow news and TV programs are gaining more place in public media. --GnuDoyng 2008 nièng 11 nguŏk 8 hô̤ (B6) 04:56 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] Wikipedia logo project

English: Hello! This is a message to inform all the Wikipedias that there is an ongoing project to fix the errors in the Wikipedia logo. There's also a plan to add more characters in the blank spaces and find characters for the other sides of the globe. Feel to visit the page on Meta-Wiki and discuss it on the talk page. If this message has arrived in the wrong place, please update the distribution list. Thank you, and see you on Meta! Bastique 2008 nièng 10 nguŏk 15 hô̤ (B3) 21:21 (UTC)

code: Please translate this message!

[Siŭ-gāi] The most often used MediaWiki messages

Hoi, the most often used MediaWiki messages (less than 25% of all MediaWiki messages) are the most visible messages. They help our readers and editors the most. We are aiming to get these messages localised for as many languages as possible by the end of the year. Please help us and yourself and localise these messages. Thanks, GerardM 2008 nièng 11 nguŏk 17 hô̤ (B1) 10:40 (UTC)

[Siŭ-gāi] The LocalisationUpdate extension has gone live

The LocalisationUpdate extension is now enabled for all Wikimedia projects. From now on new localisations that become available in SVN will become available to your project within 24 hours. Your localisations get into SVN from translatewiki.net typically within a day and at worst in two days. This is a huge improvement from the old practice where the localisations became available with new software. This could take weeks, even months.

The localisations done by our community at translatewiki.net are committed to SVN typically every day. When the system messages in English are the same as the local messages, they will now be inserted in a file and are available for use in all our projects in a timely manner

[Siŭ-gāi] What this means for you

Local messages have an impact on the performance of our system. It is best when messages are as much as possible part of the system messages. In order to remove unnecessary duplication, all the messages that have a local localisation and are exactly the same as the system message will be removed. What we ask you to do is to compare and proof read the messages in translatewiki.net and the local messages. You can then either remove local messages when the translatewiki.net message is to be preferred or, you can update the message at translatewiki.net.

Messages that are specific to your project will have to stay as they are. You do want to check if the format and the variables of the message are still the same.

[Siŭ-gāi] Why localise at translatewiki.net

When you localise at translatewiki.net, your messages will be used in all Wikimedia projects and eventually in all MediaWiki based projects. This is how we provide the standard support for your language. When messages change, at translatewiki.net you will be prompted to revisit your translations. Localising is more efficient because we have innovated the process to make you more efficient; there is text explaining about messages and we have applied AJAX technology to reduce the number of clicks you have to make.

[Siŭ-gāi] Translatewiki.net update

• Currently 26.09% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.85% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at translatewiki.net. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2009 nièng 9 nguŏk 28 hô̤ (B1) 17:14 (UTC)
• Currently 25.67% of the MediaWiki messages and 0.81% of the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been localised. Please help us help your language by localising and proof reading at translatewiki.net. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 2009 nièng 11 nguŏk 1 hô̤ (LB) 10:08 (UTC)

• PS Please help us complete the most wanted messages..

[Siŭ-gāi] How can we improve the usability for your language

We expect that with the implementation of LocalisationUpdate the usability of MediaWiki for your language will improve. We are now ready to look at other aspects of usability for your language as well. There are two questions we would like you to answer: Are there issues with the new functionality of the Usability Initiative Does MediaWiki support your language properly

The best way to answer the first question is to visit the translatewiki.net. Change the language to your language, select the “vector” skin and add the advanced tool bar in in the preferences and check out the new functionality. And make some changes in your user page. When there is a need to improve on the localisation, please make the necessary changess . It should update your localisation straight away. We would like you to report each issue individually at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability_issues.

When there are problems with the support of MediaWiki for your language, we really want to know about this. It is best to report each issue separately. In this way there will be no large mass of issues to resolve but we can address each issue on its own. Consider issues with the display of characters, the presentation of your script, the position of the side bar, the combination of text with other languages, scripts. It is best to try this in an environment like the prototype wiki as it provides you with a clean, basic and up to date environment. The prototype wiki is available for five languages but you can select any of them, change the preferences to your language and test out MediaWiki for your language.

We would like you to report each issue individually at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language issues. The issues you raise will all be assessed. It is important to keep each issue separate, because this will make it easier to understand the issues and find solutions.

PS This text has been approved by Naoko, Brion and Siebrand. Thanks, GerardM 2009 nièng 9 nguŏk 28 hô̤ (B1) 17:14 (UTC)

Can the Foochow language be written in the Korean Hangul alphabet?

The Latin alphabet (Romanized) looks so messy and confusing.

I highly suggest the Korean Hangul alphabet for writing the Foochow language 혹츄와